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Yowbarb - SURVIVING the CHANGES => Survival Shelter and Location Ideas => Topic started by: Samsara on November 13, 2010, 07:40:47 PM

Title: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Samsara on November 13, 2010, 07:40:47 PM
We are in the process of building a shelter that will protect, house, entertain and feed up to 2,000 people for up to 5 years. This is a 'non-profit' project that will take approximately 18 months to complete at a cost of roughly $175,000 per person. We don't have our website up yet, as we are still in the early stages of project development.

Anyone interested in receiving updates, is welcome to email us with a request to be put on the mailing list.

Rob Larsen
Project Coordinator
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 13, 2010, 07:49:09 PM
Rob, welcome to Town Hall. Can you provide us with more info please, ie, location, elevation etc. Many here may be interested so would be easier if you could provide as many details as possible. Again, Welcome to Town Hall.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Yowbarb on November 14, 2010, 07:32:45 AM
We are in the process of building a shelter that will protect, house, entertain and feed up to 2,000 people for up to 5 years. This is a 'non-profit' project that will take approximately 18 months to complete at a cost of roughly $175,000 per person. We don't have our website up yet, as we are still in the early stages of project development.

Anyone interested in receiving updates, is welcome to email us with a request to be put on the mailing list.

Rob Larsen
Project Coordinator

Hello and welcome, to the Town Hall, Rob.
I posted a welcome to you here:
https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,635.msg14562.html#new

We appreciate all you are doing,
Thanks,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Samsara on November 14, 2010, 01:13:09 PM
Rob, welcome to Town Hall. Can you provide us with more info please, ie, location, elevation etc. Many here may be interested so would be easier if you could provide as many details as possible. Again, Welcome to Town Hall.

Thank you.

Exact location for obvious reasons, will only be made available to those who have joined the community, but it is an area that is considered one of the most stable on the planet (least likely to suffer damage from earthquake, etc) and is above 4500' elevation.

Although the cost per unit may seem high, please note that this complex is being built to withstand virtually everything nature can throw at it and includes everything the community needs to survive 'off-grid' for 5 years and to begin life again, when it's over.

I agree there is nothing entertaining about a cataclysmic event, however, we have to consider the mental well-being of our community, in addition to basic survival (especially the children). With that in mind, we have included health care, fitness & entertainment equipment, nutritional supplements, seeds, tools, protection, educational materials, etc.

We must assume that what we take with us to 'Samsara' (a new beginning), will be ALL that we have, to start over with, when it is safe to return to the surface. Each shareholder will also receive an equal supply of pre-1965 silver coins with which to use as a basis for trade, on exit to the 'outside world'.

Also, there is a referral commission structure in place (10%) that enables those who do not have the resources to fund their own share purchase, to earn one simply by sharing the program with those who do.

We are also providing a $50,000 discount to anyone who commits to providing their professional services to the community and we will be providing all the equipment necessary to make this possible.

As you all know, time is of the essence so we are proceeding at the fastest pace possible, to ensure readiness. One challenge we are facing is that it seems difficult to determine a date more specific than "2012", so if anyone has a link to this type of information, it would be greatly appreciated.

I hope this answers some of your questions and please know that I am open to any discussion and am willing to answer any questions, regarding the project.

Rob
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 14, 2010, 01:27:47 PM
Rob, thank you for the info. Be sure to search through some of the threads for further answers you may be seeking.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Yowbarb on November 15, 2010, 06:18:16 AM
We are in the process of building a shelter that will protect, house, entertain and feed up to 2,000 people for up to 5 years. This is a 'non-profit' project that will take approximately 18 months to complete at a cost of roughly $175,000 per person. We don't have our website up yet, as we are still in the early stages of project development.

Anyone interested in receiving updates, is welcome to email us with a request to be put on the mailing list.

Rob Larsen
Project Coordinator

Sent you a PM.
Keep on a keepin on. You do what you feel right about....
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Yowbarb on November 15, 2010, 06:23:37 AM
You do not have that time anymore and the price is exorbitant.
There is nothing entertaining about mass death and brutal survival.

IMHO People will go off their gourds (go sort of nuts) without books, music windup record players, musical instruments, song books,
board games etc.  That "entertainment" is really a part of human culture, and is a part of life; some provision needs to be made for that.
People who are already in the process of preparing for survival and have a plan going on to save a bunch of people - well, IMHO, they need to carry it out in the manner with which they feel comfortable.
 
Let's hope we have more signs and ways to predict what will happen, soon. Meanwhile people need to get on with their plans,
as best they can.... and TDK U R right - speed is important.
All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Alfred Williams on November 15, 2010, 08:19:05 AM
We must encourage all of humanity to pull together into groups that are close enough to help each other. We have many thousands of years of not getting along well in pursuit of money. Instead of the few holding the cards as has been the case for thousands of years somehow a civilized society must emerge. How we respond to difficulties will say what the future will be like for us.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Yowbarb on November 15, 2010, 06:15:33 PM
We must encourage all of humanity to pull together into groups that are close enough to help each other. We have many thousands of years of not getting along well in pursuit of money. Instead of the few holding the cards as has been the case for thousands of years somehow a civilized society must emerge. How we respond to difficulties will say what the future will be like for us.

Well said, Mynymn.
- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Yowbarb on November 16, 2010, 07:53:53 AM
What continent is this shelter on? If it is in a secure location at least state what area so an informed decision can be made. Not knowing that makes me nervous as to your choice. I live in the US. The only guidance I've found about where to seek or build shelter is the Michael Gordon Scallion and similar maps. Although not scientific, these are the only directions available.

The cost per person means that only those who have $175,000 in the bank ($350,000 for a married couple) will survive. Let's do the math--that's the rich or very liquid and well off. Very sad that funding has to drive your project instead of people with superior survival kills.

Hi Nek thanks for your imput, however - as Topic Moderator, here is my viewpoint:
I am glad to see Members (and anyone) make an attempt to prepare for the coming times. It is really up to them how they do this and who they invite.

We do not know exactly what will happen or when but everything points to a lot of earth and/or sun changes.  It is time for people to do whatever they can, to survive. This could be a couple of half - buried culverts and a steel container full of food or it could be a big expensive shelter.
I am in favor of any attempt to survive.

As I said, will be an increasing number of survival communitiy Topics being started on this Town Hall.  Members here are free to post their own Communities starting Topics. I do not care how many or the name of them as long as the Topics do not have the identical names.
I will put no limit on them. I would like to see dozens of these, as people begin, or continue, building.  They are free to set it up however they can,  invite whoever they want; it is not possible to please everyone.

This is not meant as a criticism of you - I just want there to be a climate of acceptance when someone is trying to set up a survival community. To each his own. This is the second time in two days I have seen a post to a Member's survival community topic - a post which has been, shall we say - less than supportive.
RE finding a community:
There have been a couple threads or topics on the old board and here of communities seeking members. You are right that a skilled person should be invited to a community and it should not be all about money. Sometimes people just have to get on with it and raise the capital to do this. And this means people chipping in. It's not cheap. I know some people are trying to buy a full out big missile base,  and that takes a lot of people and a lot of bucks.

Everyone is free to post their community startup ideas and any concrete plans too. A person can even post a person available and what skills, as a topic for someone seeking a community which already exists or is forming.

I will not stop you from posting your own Topic on communities starting up.
Or your own Topic on seeking a community and what skills etc.
I am not here to stop. Let the many topics begin.

- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 16, 2010, 07:56:49 AM

Anyone interested in receiving updates, is welcome to email us with a request to be put on the mailing list.
We must assume that what we take with us to 'Samsara' (a new beginning), will be ALL that we have, to start over with, when it is safe to return to the surface. Each shareholder will also receive an equal supply of pre-1965 silver coins with which to use as a basis for trade, on exit to the 'outside world'.

Also, there is a referral commission structure in place (10%) that enables those who do not have the resources to fund their own share purchase, to earn one simply by sharing the program with those who do.

We are also providing a $50,000 discount to anyone who commits to providing their professional services to the community and we will be providing all the equipment necessary to make this possible.

I believe this should help you with the answers you are seeking.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 16, 2010, 08:08:54 AM
ALL options available should be posted here. Some will be low budget some no budget basics survival and some will be more oppulant. The choices are to join where you can or start your own or survive as best one can in place. I fully agree with your above statements yowbarb.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Yowbarb on November 16, 2010, 08:23:13 AM
ALL options available should be posted here. Some will be low budget some no budget basics survival and some will be more oppulant. The choices are to join where you can or start your own or survive as best one can in place. I fully agree with your above statements yowbarb.

Hi Susan, yes agreed
and also we need a lot of Topics on this.
If a person starts a community board trying to start up one, that should be devoted to his particular project.
Other Members can start up their own Topics.
 ;) Yowbarb
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Ed Douglas on November 16, 2010, 09:29:54 AM
Is anyone out there, offering financing?  ed
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 16, 2010, 09:42:31 AM
GREAT question Ed, that would be a huge help to know.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Yowbarb on November 16, 2010, 10:31:05 AM
Is anyone out there, offering financing?  ed


Ed this was recently posted by BajaSusan - info is about this community. This should be
a help to some people,

- Yowbarb


Anyone interested in receiving updates, is welcome to email us with a request to be put on the mailing list.
We must assume that what we take with us to 'Samsara' (a new beginning), will be ALL that we have, to start over with, when it is safe to return to the surface. Each shareholder will also receive an equal supply of pre-1965 silver coins with which to use as a basis for trade, on exit to the 'outside world'.

Also, there is a referral commission structure in place (10%) that enables those who do not have the resources to fund their own share purchase, to earn one simply by sharing the program with those who do.

We are also providing a $50,000 discount to anyone who commits to providing their professional services to the community and we will be providing all the equipment necessary to make this possible.

I believe this should help you with the answers you are seeking.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Samsara on November 16, 2010, 10:35:40 AM
What continent is this shelter on? If it is in a secure location at least state what area so an informed decision can be made. Not knowing that makes me nervous as to your choice. I live in the US. The only guidance I've found about where to seek or build shelter is the Michael Gordon Scallion and similar maps. Although not scientific, these are the only directions available.

The cost per person means that only those who have $175,000 in the bank ($350,000 for a married couple) will survive. Let's do the math--that's the rich or very liquid and well off. Very sad that funding has to drive your project instead of people with superior survival kills.

I know it seems like we are 'targeting' the rich and I was really hoping to avoid that. Unfortunately, the costs of providing this structure are astronomical and we haven't found a way around the share purchase structure (unless we find an philanthropic investor who is willing to foot all or part of the bill). The shelter itself is over 200 million dollars to build. Then, there is the food, power, furnishings & equipment. One of the most important requirements is high quality water and we are designing a water reclamation and purification system (any idea how much water 2,000 people need every day?).

You can't even begin to imagine the challenge of dealing with the waste produced by that many people! It's a monumental task, but it is 'doable'. These are all things that are crucial to survival for anything over a few days and also things that most shelterists don't give enough thought to, until it's likely too late. My professional background is water and wastewater treatment, so this was one of the very first things I thought about and the costs have been calculated with only a small margin for error as we are trying desperately to keep the price per share as low as possible.

Incidentally, if a couple or a family purchases shares, all but the FIRST one, are discounted by 10% (remember the referral commission). This may not sound like much but it still amounts to a discount of $52,500 for a family of 4. Total cost for a family of 4 is $647,500 (average price of a family home where I live). Although it sounds like a lot, how much is survival worth?

If a family has acquired assets in preparation for retirement, it seems like this might be a good time to use them. Personally, I'm hoping that the event never actually happens and the money we are spending will turn out to be an expensive insurance premium, but to me it's worth it. If it does NOT happen, we will still have the facility available for ANY future event and if it DOES happen, we will all be happy to have spent the money for the sake of our families.

"Far better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it"
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Yowbarb on November 17, 2010, 01:21:10 PM
We are in the process of building a shelter that will protect, house, entertain and feed up to 2,000 people for up to 5 years. This is a 'non-profit' project that will take approximately 18 months to complete at a cost of roughly $175,000 per person. We don't have our website up yet, as we are still in the early stages of project development.

Anyone interested in receiving updates, is welcome to email us with a request to be put on the mailing list.

Rob Larsen
Project Coordinator

Back to the original post.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 19, 2010, 07:53:06 AM
While this is not an affordable option for many it is avaiable for some. We each have to do what we can with the means available to us as individuals or better yet a common group of like minded people.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Yowbarb on November 19, 2010, 07:57:45 AM
While this is not an affordable option for many it is available for some. We each have to do
what we can with the means available to us as individuals or better yet a common group of like minded people.

Susan, this seems sane to me.
To each his own...People just need to keep trying...
and do whatever they can.
All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Samsara on November 20, 2010, 12:23:55 PM
Is that an option??????   ;D ;D

Hey this little gal wants to be taken to safety too!

(http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/85726/85726,1260551558,1/stock-photo-english-bulldog-standing-wearing-pink-bikini-waving-42623695.jpg)

Some pets are  also welcome in Samsara
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 20, 2010, 12:37:12 PM
That's good info to know, Thanks for adding this info.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Yowbarb on November 20, 2010, 08:19:03 PM
Some pets are  also welcome in Samsara

Samsara, that's great.
Good Luck with your project,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Carlg on January 06, 2011, 09:01:27 AM
Great thread and I enjoyed reading.
First question would be who holds the money?
Then financing, tongue in cheek, how about a 30 year mortgage?  Let me know if you find a bank willing to loan you $175,000 for 30 years to buy into a shelter that is based on the idea the world as we know it will be ending in a year or two.
Just a question to sort of poke a stick in the bubble.   Why would you need silver coins if you are going to have to spend 5 years in a self-sustaining shelter.    Consider that if you need that sort of shelter a bag of silver will be of little use in 5 years.  Better you get a bag of seeds and some tools.  Bullets would be a more common rate of exchange than silver.
Another question, why 5 years?
I have seen area that have been burnt over and destroyed by chemicals.  Some take less than 5 and some are still not recovered after 9 years.
I like the idea that someone has figured out the requirements and a plan to store and protect the needs for an individual for 5years. 
I am to old to worry about surviving but glad to see that no matter what some may survive.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Steve_T on January 07, 2011, 03:48:08 PM
I can only imagine how expensive it would be to do this for that many people. The problem me and my friends are coming to are lack of funds, and we're not doing anything on that scale at all. I'd like to think I have some skills to lend to a community but I don't know that they'd be worth $175,000.00. I know to me and my group, they're priceless. But I guess it's all perspective.

Good luck with the build!
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: alaskanwinter on January 07, 2011, 05:15:09 PM
No website?  No contact info?  You want to raise two hundred million this way?  Good luck.

Samsara refers to the wheel of life in the Buddhist tradition.  Birth, life, death, rebirth.  It is the Buddhists goal to get out of Samsara.  If you can't even understand your own name what faith can anyone place in your project.  I believe the phrase you were searching for was 'Sangha' which means the spiritual community.  The lack of a true spiritual community is why so much of the world is descending into madness.

Even if you were legit (doubtful) to organize two thousand people is impossible.  Not just the Bible but many traditions hold that when we got away from the small groups (generally accepted at 100 people) that was the fall from grace.  I have worked in large companies and have heard from those older and wiser than myself that large groups of people are pretty much impossible to control.  You get a large number of people together no matter their background and sooner or later all Hell breaks loose.

I myself attempted to put together a community and watched it all fall apart.  And I was offering it as a free service.  It was just amazing to watch people bicker about the smallest of details even when everyone was pretty much in agreement that the world was going off the rails. 

No I am sorry I am going to have to call foul ball on this outfit.  I did a basic google search and didn't see anything positive.  Maybe that will effect my karma ranking or whatever.  Don't care.  The world is going crazy and the serious amongst us need to take a cold hard look at the future.  And in a survival situation those that don't use scrutiny will not survive.
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: noproblemo2 on January 07, 2011, 05:22:03 PM
alaskanwinter opinions are welcome here and it does seem as if you did the research. We all need to choose very wisely our lives may depend on it. Thanks
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Yowbarb on January 07, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
We are in the process of building a shelter that will protect, house, entertain and feed up to 2,000 people for up to 5 years. This is a 'non-profit' project that will take approximately 18 months to complete at a cost of roughly $175,000 per person. We don't have our website up yet, as we are still in the early stages of project development.

Anyone interested in receiving updates, is welcome to email us with a request to be put on the mailing list.

Rob Larsen
Project Coordinator

Samsara I just sent you a private message.
Some Members are questioning why there is no website or contact email with your Topic.
By the way how is it going?
All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: AG on January 17, 2011, 06:40:23 PM
1.What is the plan for your community on electricity and some transportation ( during the hard time and after the hard time )?
2. I do understand the location as been something "secrete" but can you tell us a little about the planning you have on buildings  and other stuff ? As if we will know more Rob we will be able to make the decision.
3. This type of forum is the "most advanced" in this field of pole shift, so our chance to group is a higher one, so if we share some information in this and in that we may learn more. Yes the 175K is a lot of money for many people and yes many more people will have such money and they will put the money in the rush when the time is getting closer. But the time is of essence as anything to build and buy will be of time in general, will not come in short.
4. Myself I explained in details as I see the community to build under the community by consensus and I think is a simple plan but I know will cost a lot of money too. My primary idea is to build " Noah boats floating on Earth". So this will give many advantages. I present that to the group and I did not have any more ideas on it other that one or two. But again let's move on to solutions: construction, electricity, location, food, people in the group ( this is the hardest of all), water, sanitation, mobility, close community for evacuation, etc. There are so many variable into this and is hard to say what is better or worth.
5. Myself I start to make a manual for the situation and I have now about 600 pages and I post it one time ( when I had only 200 pages) and I plan to post it again. Frankly in the last few months I did not work so much on it but I will start to organize it as this is now a compilation of the planning and knowing. Now is important to get different brains to work on the type of construction, as each of us has some experience in so many fields. In general all the "bunkers " there are not good , as all are designed to be to "rigid" and have no flexibility to work with Earth  movement.
So this is for now and I hope will help you Rob and other people to share some ideas. As we are all one.
AG



Rob, welcome to Town Hall. Can you provide us with more info please, ie, location, elevation etc. Many here may be interested so would be easier if you could provide as many details as possible. Again, Welcome to Town Hall.

Thank you.

Exact location for obvious reasons, will only be made available to those who have joined the community, but it is an area that is considered one of the most stable on the planet (least likely to suffer damage from earthquake, etc) and is above 4500' elevation.

Although the cost per unit may seem high, please note that this complex is being built to withstand virtually everything nature can throw at it and includes everything the community needs to survive 'off-grid' for 5 years and to begin life again, when it's over.

I agree there is nothing entertaining about a cataclysmic event, however, we have to consider the mental well-being of our community, in addition to basic survival (especially the children). With that in mind, we have included health care, fitness & entertainment equipment, nutritional supplements, seeds, tools, protection, educational materials, etc.

We must assume that what we take with us to 'Samsara' (a new beginning), will be ALL that we have, to start over with, when it is safe to return to the surface. Each shareholder will also receive an equal supply of pre-1965 silver coins with which to use as a basis for trade, on exit to the 'outside world'.

Also, there is a referral commission structure in place (10%) that enables those who do not have the resources to fund their own share purchase, to earn one simply by sharing the program with those who do.

We are also providing a $50,000 discount to anyone who commits to providing their professional services to the community and we will be providing all the equipment necessary to make this possible.

As you all know, time is of the essence so we are proceeding at the fastest pace possible, to ensure readiness. One challenge we are facing is that it seems difficult to determine a date more specific than "2012", so if anyone has a link to this type of information, it would be greatly appreciated.

I hope this answers some of your questions and please know that I am open to any discussion and am willing to answer any questions, regarding the project.

Rob
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: Samsara on February 09, 2011, 11:03:53 AM
It's difficult to find any financial institution willing to provide financing for anyone who more likely than not, will never repay the loan.

If there were a way to fund this project without charging admission, I would love to find it. Perhaps someone out there knows of a philanthropic organization that may be willing to assist? (anyone but Muslims, please)
Title: Re: Community Shelter being built
Post by: ASEEKERTOO on February 09, 2011, 11:55:02 AM
It's difficult to find any financial institution willing to provide financing for anyone who more likely than not, will never repay the loan.
If there were a way to fund this project without charging admission, I would love to find it. Perhaps someone out there knows of a philanthropic organization that may be willing to assist? (anyone but Muslims, please)
Just remember everybody that the logistics for building a survival abode for numerous people(2000) is complex. Self-contained water
purification system; internalized sewer system tied into the self-contained water purification system. [ yes there is a way to
re-process waste to get the water back to a consumption state. (shudders even thinking about that)]; Self-contained Electrical
power generation; maybe, self-contained food growing areas; Self-contained air-recirculation system etc etc etc. I can think of
many other logistical problems associated with the upkeep and operations of the facility before and AFTER THE EVENT.

 The only thing I can really contribute to this is that it is FAR BETTER to have 20 shelters that hold 100 each than to attempt
a shelter for 2000 in one location. The plan to make more shelters with 100 people each may even cut costs in the final analysis.
Thanks to Alaskanwinter for pointing out 100 per shelter is probably better; as I agree.

Without a doubt, such projects as Rob has proposed with the construction of a facility like Samsara is not cheap by any means.
I would think that the project has already been designed down to the last screw already as the integration of all the complex
systems takes time to design much less build !

For the sake of not getting wordy; I have left much unsaid.