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Title: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Linda on April 18, 2010, 09:08:43 AM
I came across this discussion on the archive board regarding spousal and family issues about Planet X. This is a good discussion on the subject and worth a read.

http://planetxforecast.com/discus/messages/19/3839.html (http://planetxforecast.com/discus/messages/19/3839.html)

What are some of your current issues on this subject, has it changed? Has the current earth changes such as the recent earthquakes, volcanos and strange weather patterns helped you? Are you finding a more willing audience with your spouse and family? What do they say? How are you coping?

Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Yowbarb on April 18, 2010, 10:29:45 AM
Linda I won't say much since I do not have a spouse...

If "My Michael" were still present in this lifetime, he would be very supportive and
even a step ahead of me... He was a meteorologist and he and I had been noticing and a little
informal studying of some atmospheric changes back in the '90s. (CO2.) We had not heard of
the Planet X concept.
Since he passed away in Feb 2001, he's not with me except in memory and in spirit.
He and I had our little spats, but we basically agreed on a lot...

I wish the best to all women who have to deal with spousal anger...
Male anger is something I have tried to liberate myself from... have had enough of it this lifetime from father, brothers, some men
in my life. I will not allow myself to be dominated any more in the time I have left.
A collossal waste of time... [Sorry to be so autobiographical...looking back over a lot of years.]

Of course if you are committed for life to someone you love, and he loves you then it is something worthwhile to deal with.
Sometimes a person can be helped to stop having the knee jerk anger reaction. Anger basically stops things. That is the intent.
We don't need to be stopped at this point in time.

I will be the first to admit that if a female attracts anger from men then she needs to get in better balance and improve herself,
probably. That said, it is not always about what a person does. Or who she basically is. Or her worth.

If a man's "game" is to dramatize anger on you, then he will do this, if allowed to do so.
Not healthy to let someone get angry with you all the time.
That said, maybe it is necessary to also back somebody off once in awhile.
Maybe a little healthy spat or a smackdown.

Anger for no reason is B.S.!!
Well, no spouse or significant other so this will be about all I have to say.
Oh one thought -not a new concept of course and I am sure most people here have thought of this, but if a person experiences emotional abuse as a child then they are more likely to be susceptible to this as an adult and not always fight back and not always know how to avoid this. Sometimes a person just needs a little backup, support from others so as to not be the continual target of this.
On the flip side: A person does need to learn to not unecessarily push their spouse's buttons or mess up a lot because that too
can bring out anger. The thing to remember though is some people seem to need an excuse to be angry with those closest to them,
and it they who need to change.

All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Lori on April 18, 2010, 11:35:31 AM
My husband is realizing something is happening.  He is starting to sense something is happening.  Finally.  This has come about when the quake hit Haiti and then Chili. 

I still however have not convinced him that the cause of all this is just now may behind the sun.

Lori
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Yowbarb on April 18, 2010, 01:15:21 PM
My husband is realizing something is happening.  He is starting to sense something is happening.  Finally.  This has come about when the quake hit Haiti and then Chili. 

I still however have not convinced him that the cause of all this is just now may behind the sun.

Lori

Lori, I just wanted to say I am glad hubby is sensing something too,

Blessings
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Linda on April 18, 2010, 01:37:48 PM
Me too Lori! One step at a time.
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Pbandpk on April 19, 2010, 01:33:31 PM
My wife and I are on the same page thankfully ;D
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Yowbarb on April 19, 2010, 01:51:32 PM
My wife and I are on the same page thankfully ;D

Pbandpk that is wonderful!
All The Best of Luck,

Yowbarb
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Linda on April 19, 2010, 03:37:02 PM
So glad to hear that  Pbandpk. Did it start out that way, with both of you? Or did one have to convince the other. Just curious if you don't mind my asking.

Linda
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Linda on May 03, 2010, 05:31:11 PM
Today I saw an interview with a man from MA, the interview wasn't about the water situation in MA, and I really don't remember the topic. They had a major water main break in MA and heres a link about the story. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gt1hAVb-kGadG9I0efTojebYQXiwD9FFHSC80 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gt1hAVb-kGadG9I0efTojebYQXiwD9FFHSC80)

Back to the interview, the interviewer ask the man how he was handling the lack of water because of the break. The man answered, "Oh, I am one of those "doomers" I have plenty of water stored at my house just in case."  I loved that remark!

Linda
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: 1969quartz0 on May 03, 2010, 08:02:11 PM
Linda I think we should store as much as possible, I think we will need two gallons per person per day for up to five years for three people that is 10,950 gallons that takes up a lot of space.
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Linda on May 03, 2010, 09:18:36 PM
Linda I think we should store as much as possible, I think we will need two gallons per person per day for up to five years for three people that is 10,950 gallons that takes up a lot of space.

That's a lot of water to store, you would need some very large storage tanks. Most people will probably not have near enough water. So then you would probably need some type of purification system.

Linda
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Yowbarb on May 04, 2010, 02:23:30 PM
Today I saw an interview with a man from MA, the interview wasn't about the water situation in MA, and I really don't remember the topic. They had a major water main break in MA and heres a link about the story. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gt1hAVb-kGadG9I0efTojebYQXiwD9FFHSC80 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gt1hAVb-kGadG9I0efTojebYQXiwD9FFHSC80)

Back to the interview, the interviewer ask the man how he was handling the lack of water because of the break. The man answered, "Oh, I am one of those "doomers" I have plenty of water stored at my house just in case."  I loved that remark!

Linda

I like that remark. Was the "Doomer" a "Boomer" ?
- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Linda on May 04, 2010, 04:15:52 PM
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I like that remark. Was the "Doomer" a "Boomer" ?
- Yowbarb

I think he was Barb ;D

Linda
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: 1969quartz0 on May 04, 2010, 08:30:43 PM
It will be bad once the Boomer's are gone they are the last generation who actually had a good education, and really know how to get things done from scratch. There are exceptions to everything, I am a gen. X born in 1969 and my grade school education in Kansas was OK when we moved to Michigan it went down hill I had to dig for information myself college was better and I love to read, my boys school was a joke they teach lies about history and pass everyone they teach fluff and nonsense. A lot of the kids can not write in cursive or read a clock come on that should be a requirement to pass the first grade. Anyway getting back to Boomer's I am glad this is not going to happen 40 years from now because it will be harder as time goes on and the people that know how to do things pass on. Do you remember the 70 year old man in the movie The Post Man when Kevin Costner asked him can you ride and he said no, then he asked why are you here and the man answered because I know things.
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Linda on May 04, 2010, 10:41:01 PM
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because I know things
I like that quartz. There was another post where we were talking about the subject of passing on knowledge. I think knowledge will be worth it's weight in gold. So it is up to the Boomers to pass on their "knowing", as it should be. Do you wonder why this "dumbing down" of the next generations is happening? Why is history being changed? It is a shame.

All the technology we have plays a big part in not learning to do things from scratch, we just don't have to. You know though, when people are up against the wall they can be quite amazing. So I have faith in the ingenuity of the younger generations, and hopefully some of us Boomers will get through these next few years intact.

Linda :)
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Yowbarb on May 05, 2010, 02:09:32 AM
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I like that remark. Was the "Doomer" a "Boomer" ?
- Yowbarb

I think he was Barb ;D

Linda

Linda,
He sounds like a dear man and a survivor hopefully there are plenty like him out there...
 :)
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Deathanyl on July 15, 2010, 03:51:48 PM
Linda I think we should store as much as possible, I think we will need two gallons per person per day for up to five years for three people that is 10,950 gallons that takes up a lot of space.
buy a charcoal based water purifier as then all you need to do is find water, and burn wood to char... or learn how to collect dew from sheets of plastic, they can be rolled up and brough with you if your nomadic and near every night we get a dew point
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Linda on July 15, 2010, 07:56:10 PM
Deathanyl thanks for that information, good to know. It is not feasible to store that many gallons of water, but having a way to filter is much better.

Linda
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Ed Douglas on July 15, 2010, 10:53:52 PM
During my time in the Marines, we were taught to improvise and make due with nothing. This became essential for survival in the jungles of Vietnam and Thailand. It is kinda funny, what you will consider a luxury, when you have very little. Once we had tent constructed, we showered when it rained, by being under the sides of the tent. However, if you weren't in a place you could do it, you had no way to wash. I traded an AK47 to a helicopter crewman that made supply runs for us. He brought me a hand pumped pressure fire extinguisher. We built a trough to catch the rain from the tent and could fill the fire extinguisher with water from the ytrough and shower any time of day or nite. Say what you may about the Marines, but we like to stay clean.(our bodies)
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Road Warrior on August 22, 2010, 09:56:03 PM
I grew up on a trapline in the bush in the Yukon without running water or electricity , went to the nearest town some 250 miles from camp to buy groceries etc .. we did that 4 times a year :)

my wife grew up on a farm in Saskatchewan ..so now we have been married for 13 years and have 4 kids ..ages 3,7, 10 and 13 ..we home school and do everything our selves ..

we are both on the same page ..I do the research she goes yup uh huh ..and away we go 
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Lori on August 23, 2010, 07:22:19 AM
Its the opposite for me.  My husband does Hunh, Yup. and Oh.  And sometimes he just ignores me.   :P
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Linda on August 23, 2010, 08:10:40 AM
Same for me Lori! ::) I do a lot of research and share the info with him.  Road Warrior your in a good place, you are already prepared and living off the main grid or at least have the means to and have a partner that's on the same page as you. When you have total cooperation between spouses it does make for a much smoother road to get prepared. I liked the picture of your wood burner with the delicious loaves of bread cooling on the rack in one of the other posts.

Linda
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Deathanyl on August 24, 2010, 06:56:17 PM
Road warrior nice background hope that far north fairs well, i am in northern Ont and have friends in Northren Albt, which ever is closest if I'm on foot i guess  ;D
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 24, 2010, 09:58:54 PM
Road Warrior, I would pit your survival skills against anybody's. You have my admiration. You should fare well. Your family is very fortunate, to be in that situation, with you.  ed
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: kayelless on September 06, 2010, 11:10:43 AM
I'm new here, and one of the reasons I'm here is because I am working my way through bringing my husband into an awareness of what's going on in the world. He is a good man, and has a good work ethic, which, unfortunately, means he looks at his job and our current way of life, including health benefits, as "safe" and predictable. He thinks we need to save for retirement -- I think we could use the cash to prepare. He really can't imagine my concerns having any truth, because that means he has to give up that safety. And I can't expect that to be easy for him. It took me years to really take all this seriously, although I started feeling, intuitively, that something was coming more than twenty years ago.

So I have started recently just moving forward, knowing that he will come along when the time is right. And little by little, its working. I don't frame it in terms of OHMYGODWE'REGOINGTODIE with him, I frame it in terms of actually moving to the house we bought four years ago (I picked it out) and "fixing it up" (which to me means making it self-sufficient and safe) so we can live comfortably and inexpensively. I work the land we'll need to grow food, I maintain the road in and the surrounding areas (which is incredible exercise!) and I plan on spending a specific sum of money every month to buy and store what we'll need.

I am moving to the new house half-time in late October. He will stay on at his job for another six months at our current location, 500 miles from the house, and I'll bounce back and forth to encourage him and do what needs to be done while keeping everything low-key. He is planning on taking that six months to grow a consultancy in his field on the net so he can "safely" leave his Fortune 100 company. Note -- one of the ways I'm encouraging him is to tell him what I cook while I'm up there -- I don't cook here and a home cooked meal is a good thing ;)

Its interesting, now that I'm committed to the plan, I've found out most of my neighbors on the mountain are doing the same thing and feeling the way I do. I believe we will become a community, and we'll need each other.

Its all falling into place, not as fast as I'd like.. my husband's complacency makes me truly sad sometimes.. but at the pace that is possible.

I watched Marshall's YouTube video on the 5 stages of catastrophism, and really felt like someone out there "got me".. and here I am. Thanks for being here.

Kyle
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 06, 2010, 12:14:13 PM
Kyle, welcome. Everyone has to come to terms in their own way, we cannot force them to see this until they are ready. You are doing the right thing in having your escape house and becoming self-sufficient and in time DH will understand why you have done so.
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Deathanyl on September 06, 2010, 07:25:24 PM
Many spouses and loved ones will not make it due to there refusal to see it, don't let that slow you I always say, part of the cull will be those who were not independent enough, and aware to listen!!!!

I just hope for all who tried and tried to be that voice of warning they do not hold too much grief in there hearts after for those who didn't make it. You CAN"T force someone to wake up, but neither should you deny what is in your heart and prepare.

And in some cases there will be other survivors to rebuild with, and depression will be fatal in the time after, if your not on your game.... :'(
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: kayelless on September 07, 2010, 12:00:42 PM
Thanks for the welcome, and for the reminder that I need to temper my expectations that my most loved ones will come along on this adventure at anything other than their own pace. I know I can only move forward and let them see me doing so.. and they'll make their own decisions in their own way. I'm comfortable with that now -- it used to really make me depressed that I was so powerless in light of all these things I've learned. But now.. there's a spirituality and an ease I have with it all. Fighting it uses energy I don't want to give away.

Thanks again,
Kyle

Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 07, 2010, 12:21:11 PM
Kyle, just bear in mind that you are now their tower and in planning for them you are doing your best to ensure their survivl also. Stay strong as we know this will not be easy for any of us. Our advantage is that we are preparing.
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Yowbarb on September 09, 2010, 02:36:46 PM
Many spouses and loved ones will not make it due to there refusal to see it, don't let that slow you I always say, part of the cull will be those who were not independent enough, and aware to listen!!!!

I just hope for all who tried and tried to be that voice of warning they do not hold too much grief in there hearts after for those who didn't make it. You CAN"T force someone to wake up, but neither should you deny what is in your heart and prepare.

And in some cases there will be other survivors to rebuild with, and depression will be fatal in the time after, if your not on your game.... :'(

Hello there Deathanyl it's funny you should post this... I agree. Funny not exactly the right word. Just last night I was briefly thinking about the end of the 2012 movie - and how hopeful and exhilarated the survivors were as they looked out over the beautiful new African landscape, and prepared to disembark... I wasn't dwelling on the movie but I had a sudden flash:  The fact of having survived all that - and looking forward to a future - that in many cases will outweigh the feelings of loss and  depression... That said, I mean I know it would be extremely tough to lose a spouse or worse yet, offspring. The thought did occur to me. Personally if I lost offspring I would probably carry that around the rest of my life ... like a knife stuck in my head - I would try to be busy and be useful...
Thanks for your thoughts,
All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Yowbarb on September 09, 2010, 02:47:01 PM
Thanks for the welcome, and for the reminder that I need to temper my expectations that my most loved ones will come along on this adventure at anything other than their own pace. I know I can only move forward and let them see me doing so.. and they'll make their own decisions in their own way. I'm comfortable with that now -- it used to really make me depressed that I was so powerless in light of all these things I've learned. But now.. there's a spirituality and an ease I have with it all. Fighting it uses energy I don't want to give away.

Thanks again,
Kyle

Kalelless, good thoughts. I just posted a welcome to you, here,
Yowbarb
https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,635.195.html (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,635.195.html)
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: kayelless on December 30, 2010, 09:03:23 PM
Success! I sat my husband and daughter (22 yrs old) down and asked them to watch the documentary "Collapse." It gives a good feel for oil, water and economic problems coming without info they couldn't handle or don't want to hear. It was 90 minutes long and the only thing I asked of them.

They understand just enough not to think I'm crazy anymore. In fact, my husband and I put together a list of immediate needs, stuff to do within 90 days, and stuff to do within 6 months, and agreed on the budget. So I'm not on my own any more.

"Collapse" can be viewed instantly on NetFlix.

YAY!

Kyle
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 30, 2010, 09:10:49 PM
Kyle, CONGRATS !!!! Very happy for you.
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Linda on December 31, 2010, 05:56:17 PM
Welcome Kyle, that is great that your family if behind you it makes preparing a lot easier with cooperation and shared ideas.

Linda
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: Yowbarb on January 25, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
Success! I sat my husband and daughter (22 yrs old) down and asked them to watch the documentary "Collapse." It gives a good feel for oil, water and economic problems coming without info they couldn't handle or don't want to hear. It was 90 minutes long and the only thing I asked of them.

They understand just enough not to think I'm crazy anymore. In fact, my husband and I put together a list of immediate needs, stuff to do within 90 days, and stuff to do within 6 months, and agreed on the budget. So I'm not on my own any more.

"Collapse" can be viewed instantly on NetFlix.

YAY!

Kyle

Kyle, here is a belated VWD -Very Well Done on what you have achieved with your family understanding more...
Welcome to the Town Hall. Looking forward to more of your posts,

Yowbarb
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: GEMUNIS on January 29, 2011, 04:31:47 PM
The earth shifted from it's axis after an earht quake in (CHILE).
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: ASEEKERTOO on January 29, 2011, 07:43:25 PM
Success! I sat my husband and daughter (22 yrs old) down and asked them to watch the documentary "Collapse." It gives a good feel for oil, water and economic problems coming without info they couldn't handle or don't want to hear. It was 90 minutes long and the only thing I asked of them.

They understand just enough not to think I'm crazy anymore. In fact, my husband and I put together a list of immediate needs, stuff to do within 90 days, and stuff to do within 6 months, and agreed on the budget. So I'm not on my own any more."Collapse" can be viewed
instantly on NetFlix.YAY!Kyle
Excellent. Survival favors the prepared individuals. The signs are there for troubled times and if it doesn't happen then it is all Good. If
it does then you are prepared. Congrats !
Title: Re: Acceptance and rejection
Post by: GEMUNIS on March 08, 2011, 01:58:25 AM
It's good to here my spouse say to me, for the first time, "you know, I'm beginning to see what you are talking about"; she Tell's me, "I'm beginning to see more, here more, of this kind of thing happening everyday".
Her word's sealed in my mind; "there is a catastrophic event occurring around the globe, almost everyday now".