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willsorr75

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Elenin, so what's next?
« on: August 05, 2011, 12:57:08 PM »
We have images from stereo B. Not all that great, but still something. Has anyone created a timeline recently? I'd like to have some predictions to work with the new data in regards to the size of the coma. Is it possible Elenin will he become more visible sooner than expected?

If Elenin was so close to stereo B, why did it appear so small in the images. I expected something a little closer. If it is an ELE, do you think the government will ever leak any info?

Thx,
Will

usbam

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Re: Elenin, so what's next?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2011, 10:03:05 PM »
I think it is interesting that JUNO was launched on Friday.... Jupiter is heading a way from us and their orbit is larger ... is it me or is it possible that its being sent for something else?

NASA doesn't seem to be wasting any time at all after the shuttles were "shut down"
« Last Edit: August 06, 2011, 10:06:18 PM by usbam »

ASEEKERTOO

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Re: Elenin, so what's next?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2011, 07:14:37 AM »
From what I can understand, there are 6 science packages on each Stereo
platform. Science package being individual imaging devices like a telescope.
The pictures taken of Elenin were taken with one of the low-power telescope
packages and of low resolution. JPL said that a high resolution picture would
be available soon but so far I haven't come across it.
 
It is very  hard to SEE the center of the image in the pictures. Even with
image enhancements I can not see a discernable 'center'. The way to estimate
the size of the image is to ZOOM in the picture with a Graphics program. Then use
a standard type rule to measure the COMA. I got 2 1/4 inches as the coma. That
is 36; 1/16" segments on a ruler. If 200,000 km is equal to 36 segments then ONE
1/16" segment is 5,555.555 km. The only 'CENTER' that I could find in the
Enhancement pictures was 3/16" across or 16,666.666 km across. If Enhancements
would have shown a tiny dot in the middle then I could have measured that
for a ' Guesstimate ' of size. Elenin is only 4 KM across and the rest of its makeup
is a Gas Cloud.
 
The method I was using is not reliable but theoretically it should give a ballpark
estimate of the size of the nucleus; IF we could see it in the pics LOL.
200,000 KM = 124274.238 mi.     5,555.555 KM = 3452.061 mi.
16,666.666 KM = 10356.186 mi.
 
From the looks of it; for Elenin to be 4 KM in size in the picture it would have to
be many many fractions of 1/16th of an inch.  :)
 
I think Elenin will pass by Stereo B around Mid August and then be in Front of it
so Stereo B will no longer have to turn and look over its shoulder to image
Elenin. It will be in front for us to watch All Day Every Day after that till it
disappears from view.
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I think it is interesting that JUNO was launched on Friday.... Jupiter is heading a way from us and their orbit is larger ... is it me or is it possible that its being sent for something else?
NASA doesn't seem to be wasting any time at all after the shuttles were "shut down"
Good Question. Wish we knew the answer to that one !


« Last Edit: August 07, 2011, 07:20:26 AM by ASEEKERTOO »

willsorr75

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Re: Elenin, so what's next?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2011, 11:34:40 AM »
Thank you both for the added information, It's amazing how there is so much to know about what's happening with Elenin. I seem to learn something new every week. I'm in a situation where preparing for an ELE would take everything I have. I just hope it's not to late when we finally have the answers we need... I can't afford to be completely prepared right now. I've been taking small steps. I'll be purchasing some solar panels from HarborFreight soon to help with emergency lighting and to charge batteries. Maybe the government will slip up soon. I can't see how they could keep such a secret. Even government employees have families, and friends.

ASEEKERTOO

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Re: Elenin, so what's next?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2011, 02:01:47 PM »
exactly Bill.
  Until it does something undeniably un-comet like then it is a Comet. The
attributes assigned to it via the scientific paper saying that it has caused
earthquakes at certain alignments is good but still only qualifies as circumstantial
evidence. Other Evidence like a nucleus size is believeable only in the amount of
believeability we want to assign to someone that discovered it. I do give him the
benefit of the doubt but it would be nice if JPL would cough up a figure of their
own. Hence our second piece of evidence about Elenin is heresay from one person
in Russia. Another source of evidence we need is the spectrograph imagery to
show us the Elements that Elenin is comprised of. So far the only spectrograph
analysis to come out is that it is outgassing Hydrogen Cyanide.
  I looked up the Electrical Qualities of Hydrogen Cynaide to see if it had any
capability to 'carry a charge' and as it turns out; when Hydrogen Cynaide reaches
a certain ratio of something like 1.3 10 17 power in a gas that the light
scattering ability of it is enhanced. Elenin was outputting something like .....
well, I just quote Leonid:
"" Assuming an isotropic production of gas at velocity 0.5 km/s and a Boltzmann
distribution of energy levels at 50 K, the derived HCN production rate is
1.5 x 1025 molecules/s ""
 
  Maybe that is why Comets flare-up like they do, because the output of
certain gasses like Hydrogen Cynaide reaches a magic number thereby reaching
a certain reflective quality. I might add without getting too deep that Energy
in its broadest sense is a 'Wave'. [ or particle  :)  depending on how you want
to treat it ]
 
  Now the question becomes; can a comet output a certain type of gas or atom
sized material that can enhance a magnetic field or help to produce an Electro-
Static Field. Off the wall questions to be sure but Fact has proven to be stranger
than Fiction many times. For now, expect to enjoy a light in the sky because we
don't know and 'They' aren't saying anything different.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2011, 02:04:23 PM by ASEEKERTOO »

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Re: Elenin, so what's next?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2011, 04:02:54 PM »
If it has a capacitor like makeup, it wouldn't excite itself, it would take something external, electrically to excite it, most likely. Then again, science, and all of us amateurs are going thru a learning curve lately, with all of the new discoveries, especially in physics. Somany things we didn't know before, are coming to light.   ed

 

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